http://forums.pfdebate.com A discussion forum dedicated to high school Public Forum Debate en Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:09:04 GMT vBulletin 60 http://forums.pfdebate.com/images/bluesaint/misc/rss.jpg http://forums.pfdebate.com http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=820&goto=newpost Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:52:40 GMT Well, first off my partner and I didn't qualify because we lost two rounds due to ethics judges said they agreed more with our side but ethics brought us down. So I am just wandering where can I find the results for state? Also does anyone know how Overlands A B team for PF did I only heard the two finnalists and I know for a fact that these are two really strong teams. ]]> Mountain West LehEgo http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=820 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=819&goto=newpost Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:25:20 GMT Lakewood's Trevor Marsden and Riley Majeune (Neg) defeated Centaurus's Kurt Girard and Maggie Jackson (Aff).

P.S.- One of my favorite rounds ever. Great job both of you. ]]> Mountain West room108 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=819 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=818&goto=newpost Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:36:04 GMT Does anyone know where or what to put in a case about the disabled? Its been hard finding sources of AA for the disabled because most articles focus... Does anyone know where or what to put in a case about the disabled? Its been hard finding sources of AA for the disabled because most articles focus on race and or gender. ]]> March 2010 debatexspeech http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=818 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=817&goto=newpost Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:43:57 GMT I'm looking to go to a camp this summer and I'm having trouble deciding between the Harvard Institute or NDF in Boston. They both seem great. Harvard institute does seem better, but I've heard great things about NDF. What do you guys think? I've researched both of them, so I'm not asking for info, I just want to know what other people think. ]]> Workshops, Institutes, and Camps awsomo1 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=817 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=816&goto=newpost Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:10 GMT When does it come out, and where? Their website is less than helpful. When does it come out, and where? Their website is less than helpful. ]]> National Circuit Luca_Tortuga http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=816 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=815&goto=newpost Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:58:52 GMT Homosexuality: American Homosexuals are discriminated against at or above the rates of females and minorities, but on a federal level are not a... Homosexuality:
American Homosexuals are discriminated against at or above the rates of females and minorities, but on a federal level are not a protected group under affirmative action.

I used this in our neg to argue AA is not justified b/c it does not achieve it's philosophical goals.

What do YOU think?

facts:
NEG:
Typically, applications ask about academic interests and race and ethnicity (although that question is optional), and no colleges are known to ask applicants about their sexual orientation.
“there is considerable interest about seeing some college ask the question but ‘schools are hesitant to be the first.’*”
Scott Jaschik; Cornell University 26 Feb 2010
*Jack Miner; Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered Caucus of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/02/26/gay

A number of studies have documented a significant and dramatic relationship between sexual orientation and economic outcomes in the United States. Badgett (1995), using data from the 1989–91 General Social Survey (GSS), found that gay men earned 28% less than heterosexual men and that lesbians earned 35% less than heterosexual women. Black et al. (2003) employed GSS data from 1989–96 and found earnings to be between 14% and 16% lower for gay men than for heterosexuals … Moreover, Carpenter (2007) used the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey from the 1984–94 wave and found that gay men experienced a statistically and economically significant penalty on the order of 23–30%. Allegretto and Arthur (2001) used data from the 1990 Census on men and found a smaller gay male earnings penalty on the order of 3%. Furthermore, Carpenter (2005) used data from a public health survey in California (California Health Interview Survey) and found small statistically insignificant earnings differentials for gay men and lesbians compared to heterosexuals. Similarly, studies of men in the Netherlands found small effects (Plug and Berkhout, 2004). In the United Kingdom, Arabsheibani et al. (2004), using data from the Labour Force Survey between 2001 and 2005, found that gay men earned about 5% less than heterosexuals, while lesbians earned about 9% more than heterosexual women.

Only two field experiments have been carried out to test sexual orientation in the hiring process. Weichselbaumer (2003) employed a field experiment in order to investigate whether the Austrian labour market discriminated against lesbian women. She found that indicating a lesbian identity reduced the invitation rate by about 12–13%. Moreover, Adam (1981) used a similar technique for testing discrimination based on sexual orientation and found a reduction of 6% in invitation rates for lesbians and 7% for gays in the city of Toronto in Ontario, Canada. Both studies agreed that discrimination could explain[s] the differences in hiring.
Nick Drydakis; Department of Economics, University of Piraeus Labour Economics 16 (2009)
http://www.ilga-europe.org/content/d...rimination.pdf
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...I-5cM2VGSFgqSA

Homosexuality is a status characteristic that, when salient, results in biased evaluations of competence. Once the status becomes evident to employers, applicants become labeled as outsiders, and expectations and assumptions are associated with the individuals, such as expectations about the way other people will respond to these individuals. Psychological and sociological studies suggest that gay men try to avoid discrimination by living a dual life at work. On the labour market, they pass for non-gay for fear that their employment would be in jeopardy if it became known that they were gay, while outside the labour market, they come out.
Berger, J. Social Interaction: An Expectation States Approach. 1977
Levine and Leonard. Discrimination against lesbians in the work force. 1984
http://www.ilga-europe.org/content/d...rimination.pdf

HOWEVER:
AFF:
American voters oppose 65 - 27 percent giving preference to gays and lesbians in hiring, promotions and college admissions. Among all gender, political, racial and religious groups, the only support is 54 - 38 percent among blacks and 49 - 43 percent among liberals.
Quinnipiac University 3 June 2009
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1307

• The National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce notes that LGBT individuals were likely to spend $800 more on business and leisure travel during the summer of 2009 than their heterosexual counterparts.
• The National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce claims there are 1.2 million LGBT business owners in the U.S.
• Market researchers state that the LGBT consumers have “deep pockets” and their buying power “is growing.”
o In 2006, lesbian and gay travelers took a projected total of 53.2 million leisure trips, spending an estimated $40 billion. Another GLBT travel study says that the GLBT population is 5% and its estimated travel market is $65 billion annually.
o Gays & lesbians are spending between $40-$65 billion year on travel. (harrisinteractive.com, 2007 & ASTAnetwork, Summer 2007)
o Gay Wired Media claims that gay adults are 6-7% of the population with total buying power of $723 billion.
• 14% of gay and lesbian adults are planning overseas travel compared to only 7% of heterosexual adults (harrisinteractive.com, 2007)
• Annual household income for gays and lesbians for 2007-2008 is $80,000. (communitymarketinginc.com)
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/rea...th-statistics/ 14 October 2009

A number of studies have documented a significant and dramatic relationship between sexual orientation and economic outcomes in the United States. Badgett (1995), using data from the 1989–91 General Social Survey (GSS), found that gay men earned 28% less than heterosexual men and that lesbians earned 35% less than heterosexual women. Black et al. (2003) employed GSS data from 1989–96 and found earnings to be between 14% and 16% lower for gay men than for heterosexuals and between 20% and 34% higher for lesbian women than for heterosexuals
Nick Drydakis; Department of Economics, University of Piraeus Labour Economics 2009
http://www.ilga-europe.org/content/d...rimination.pdf ]]> March 2010 accomplice http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=815 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=814&goto=newpost Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:53:54 GMT Did anybody else get about halfway through it... and lose all interest in it. Did anybody else get about halfway through it... and lose all interest in it. ]]> April 2010 MZ715 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=814 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=813&goto=newpost Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:38:22 GMT I have hit some crazy novices but the best novice team i've faced is from Overland, forgive me if im wrong but their first speaker has black hair and the second speaker has brown hair, for those who went to Cheyanne East they took second in novice PF and I think they where really close to breaking in varsity they knocked out a cherry creek team in semis and hit another one in finals. PS; I judged them at Cheyenne and ended up hitting them. ]]> Mountain West LehEgo http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=813 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=812&goto=newpost Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:07:49 GMT For those of us debating in April, just looking at that resolution makes me cringe. How the heck is one supposed to debate the negative side? The... For those of us debating in April, just looking at that resolution makes me cringe.

How the heck is one supposed to debate the negative side? The Pro seems to have a bit of a wider scope than the opposition here...

And like other debaters have mentioned, the literature is scant.

Any ideas...? ]]> April 2010 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=812 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=811&goto=newpost Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:03:53 GMT Anyone here debate in the northwest? (Oregon, Washington, Idaho?)

I've noticed a distinct lack of discussion relevant to this region ]]> West Coast accomplice http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=811 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=810&goto=newpost Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:16:30 GMT What are these government employee labor unions, I have to debate this topic, and dont know what that means. Explain to me the basis of what that... What are these government employee labor unions, I have to debate this topic, and dont know what that means. Explain to me the basis of what that means. And do you like this topic? because I think it is boring.:cool: ]]> April 2010 Mason http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=810 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=809&goto=newpost Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:01:01 GMT Is anyone here a little disappointed with the crossfire brief released for this topic? Maybe I'm spoiled, but this month's brief is a lot weaker than previous ones. For instance: I believe almost half of CON consisted of one source, and there was even a piece of evidence that was basically the same thing copy pasted twice in two separate pages.

Am I just looking at the brief in a wrong perspective? Halp. ]]> March 2010 Saltlicker http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=809 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=808&goto=newpost Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:07:29 GMT http://www.nflonline.org/uploads/Rostrum/0507_074_078.pdf Can someone explain to me how this is actually supposed to work? It sounds more like... http://www.nflonline.org/uploads/Ros...07_074_078.pdf

Can someone explain to me how this is actually supposed to work? It sounds more like making your first speech a rebuttal than actually changing contentions.

I understand the basic idea of adapting your case to your opponents arguments, but again, this seems like it is more based on rebutting your opponents case than anything.

I mean, with the January topic, my partner and I considered writing two cases for the con, one which said we need more troops and the other which said we need less / shouldn't be involved in Afghanistan. ]]> Help Me DarkDwarf http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=808 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=807&goto=newpost Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:03:53 GMT I am certain that this topic has been deemed timely because of research that came out in January showing that there are more public sector employees... I am certain that this topic has been deemed timely because of research that came out in January showing that there are more public sector employees in labor unions than there are private sector employees despite the fact that the private sector has many more employees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html

Think: Police, Fire, Teachers, Librarians, Etc.

I don't know off the top of my head if air traffic controllers and postal workers would be considered government employees. ]]> April 2010 PFDebate http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=807 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=806&goto=newpost Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:32:05 GMT EDIT: This was an evidence trade thread but I'm done with this topic so I wont be trading anymore.
Feel free to use this thread to trade with each other though.

Also, I wont be debating next months topic so I wont be trading evidence for that either. ]]> March 2010 awsomo1 http://forums.pfdebate.com/showthread.php?t=806